An interview with intermedia artist Dick Higgins, who discusses his views about California Institute of the Arts, artists and his company, Something Else Press, with Richard Friedman and Anthony Gnazzo. This was recorded Sunday, June 13, 1971, at the KPFA studios, after Higgins resigned his post at Cal Arts. He discusses his reasons for leaving and the problems he faced there. He also gives his ideas on what an arts institute should be like, and why he and his press were moving to Vermont. Dick Higgins died in 1998 at the age of 60.